Macros/Add-on's are the same as Hacking/Botting

[nomad2076]

First I wanted to get peoples attention with my title. I am coming from the game Knight Online, a good game that is ruined by hacking, table editing, gold farmers / botters. So my view is affected by the game that I am coming from.

That being said allowing add-on's and macros in RoM is a horrible idea. I urge the GM's to stop this and make it a banable offense. Allowing them creates an unfair advantage over other players. Using Macros is a lazy way to play and is the same as botting. Press 1 button and the computer does all the rest, you would ban a botter than why are you allowing Macros? There is no skill in using marcos, there are no bragging rights in beating someone when you use Macros. There is NO combo skill's.

Add-on's are just as bad if not worse then Marcos, you changing files and creating codes for the game to do things differently. In KO (Knight Online) we had people editing there table and created what we called "God Mode" they were unstoppable and you could not kill them.

By allowing a "legitimte" way of changing the game with Macros and add-ons, it opens a BIG door for hackers to ruin this game. I could go on and on about how I feel about this, but you get my point. These things are horrible for the game, and please GM's stop this before it gets out of hand.

[Meru]

I understand your problem with add ons and macros, but they are not all evil...there is a differnce between addons and hacking / botting...

Perhaps the devs , and gms were not paying attention / monitering which add ons are good and bad...

macros are by no means botting, as you do not leave your computer un attended and have it do all the work for you. You are just making things a tad less complicated.

some addons do have their uses, and really do not give all that much of an unfair advantage...such addons like cartographer ( a famous map enhacment addon ), and quest helper ( another famous add on that holds your hand through quests )...yes, its extremely lazy, but unfair advantage? No...

because of the simple fact that in game ( which I hardly see people use ) is the npc search functions , and etc...just by reading the quest fast and use of this function quests are a breeze...

long story short, and back to the point add ons are supposed to enhance what is already provided in game.

a hack is more or less major modifications...not enhancements such as speed hacks, and jump hacks ( allows you to run super fast, and jump super high )...then, there is item duping and exploiting...

see how different macros, and addons are?

and I have to say in a game like this ( with lack of combos ) macros will not give anyone the advantage...its just saving spell bar space, its not like it can skip the global cool down or anything....


They ( the game ) just really needs to stay on top and moniter what addons are good , and bad.

an example of a bad add on would be bottom feeder ( scans the auction house ) and gives unfair advantage to alter the market which effects game play..

I hope this has given you some insight

[nomad2076]

I don't disagree that there are helpful add-on's but these should be in the form of a RoM patch not a player addon. I see things in black and white, allowing "good" addons opens the doors for "bad" ones. I feel the game content should not be alter AT ALL by players, and should be an banable offense if they do. If things are helpful let RoM alter there files and make the game better for everyone.

Like this for example..Auto healing is not an enhancment in my mind its a hack.

http://rom.curse.com/downloads/rom-a...toheilung.aspx

My point is this do not open the door.

Oh, Macros are lazy... u beat me with a macro means nothing to me because you have NO skill.

[tyrantking2]

I agree that add-ons are a bad idea in this game. I say this game because it isn't a pay per month game. The only money coming to the folks who are going to maintain RoM is from their item shop. There won't be enough funding to keep this game hack free.

It takes alot of time and money to make games stable. Add-ons are gonna make the entire game unstable very quickly and allow people to take advantage of exploits they are creating.

I hope to god that they (RoM Devs) are reading these posts and do something quickly because I find this game very very fun as it is and hope it isn't ruined by allowing this.

[Perk]

1. A skilled pvper will most always win against a bot,, keep that in mind.

2. I use macros and addons. it allows me to not focus quite so hard on the game and still be able to level up.. (If i focus hard and turn off the bots i can raise my dps significantly so how does that give me unfair advantage??
3. you are clumping way too much together and saying its all bad .. many people love making improvements to the game and the addons are very often needed enhancements to gameplay.. (if the game was perfect there would be no need)

4. My addons have to do with my being extremely lazy, but I am always at my comp when i play so I am not botting. I turn off the addons when things get hairy.. I think you need to chill,, grinding sux in most any mmo and if an addon can ease the process its all good!

5. only thing we would agree on would be bots should be perm banned first offense..

just my 2 cents..

[Maroot]

This is not a flame at the original poster, but rather a generalization to all individuals alike.

Well, by removing one means to, as you say, be lazy and cheat, you create another means. If the DEV's removed the macro system and addons, then this game would turn into KO. You can not have a happy medium with an online game that caters to the possibly millions and millions of different people playing it. Sorry for the term I'm about to use, but it is dumb logic. Every single online game that removed the ability for the user to customize; by customize I mean allows the user to string commands together so they do not have to press 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0 repeatedly to perform a combo creates the need for the more intelligent users to literally hack the game files and make a 'god' ability, for instance. However, that does not mean you'll see less of such things, far from it actually, look at WoW, they still deal with cheaters and hacks daily even though they have one of the best macro systems available that doesn't allow an unfair advantage.

The macro system works to help chain long sequences of key presses into a single key; that still has to be pressed each time you want to fire off the next spell in the chain. It just removes the need to be pressing multiple buttons one after the other, it is rather simple logic. The biggest problem is that there are so many 'lazy' people playing these games now a days that you get people whining and crying about everything including the macro system because they are, in fact, too damn lazy to learn the system but would rather have it all remove so the rest of the players who have actually taken the time to learn the system are literally dumbed down. That is not how evolution works, the stronger and smarter survive while the weak and less intelligent straggle along until they eventually parish due to their own unwillingness to do better for what every reasons they have. While there will always be individuals who will take the time to create things (like addons) that help the lesser of the people along so they too can survive and enjoy life (and video games), there will be those in these groups who will complain even still, because of nothing more then just plain laziness. A famous quote from a great game developer on such a topic goes: "And if someone gave you a pile of gold, you'd probably complain that it was too heavy"

Addon's only make creating macro's for the above mentioned type peoples easier, so they too can participate in the FUN of the game. However I do agree that the current macro system allows for too much freedom, but even still, what does it matter to get beat by an individual who can't even play the game on his/her own accord? It certainly isn't helping that individual evolve, but it does help the more intelligent of the bunch evolve and become better, even though it is just a game.

All I'm saying is don't remove the wheels on the bike because some people can't ride one. Either learn to ride, or walk and stop complaining about being passed by bikers. Simple logic.

[Taikero]

There's nothing wrong with addons or macros because the developers CAN control what's allowed.

You don't get to do what isn't allowed, it's as simple as that.

The other game you used as an example just had crappy security in its client/server relationship. What one game does (and fails or succeeds at) doesn't necessarily translate to another game.

Also, I personally use addons because the way many things are in the base UI and system in general are inadequate or bugged. Thankfully most addons work well, so I am able to expand my abilities and focus on playing the game (you know, having fun?) rather than cursing at the way the base interface works.

[Sixpax]

Iniciado por Perk

1. A skilled pvper will most always win against a bot,, keep that in mind.

Completely disagree here. Any good scripter who knows what he's doing can write the code to act and react much, much faster than any human can.

[nomad2076]

I love how people fail to read and comprehend what is being said...Maroot.

Concerning Macros, if a person choose not to use them it doesn't make them a dumb person, nor a person that chooses to use them a smarter player. I would rather trust human intuitaion and instic over a computer sequence. Of couse most the time my combo is the same, but more often than not i see something different and by instint make a change. By you logic Maroot I guess Im the smarter player since I'm not stuck with a computer sequence. Though u can stop it, it's not the same.

Im fine with leaving the Macro's to the lazy...

BUT add-on's never. All enhancments and changes to game files need to be done only by the Devs, Never the players. You will always have hackers in a game, but a company can really put it to a min. KO for example screwed up with they put the tables on the peoples computer and no longer on their servers. Once tables are on a players Comp they are really easliy changed. From what I've seen RoM updates a lot, KO sucks at patching, updating, and fixing bugs.

But this is the point game files good or bad should only be done by the Devs, not the players. Makes it too easy to hack / cheat if the company allows players to make "changes" to improve the enjoyment of the game as you would say.

[techwg]

I disagree that its a problem. I personally make macro's for myself so that i can concentrate on other things. If people had to "hack" the game to access macro's then that would be unfair. Everyone has access to macro's its right on the very first menu. If you spend the time learning the super basic way of macroing or a bit more advanced then thats your choice, everyone has the opportunity to use macro's. I have macro's that heal me if my health goes to 75%, is healing yourself a hack? A macro is a macro thats it. You program it and it will only do that thing. While most of the time my healing macro works well, it can cause me problems, it can interupt an attack im trying to do, thus wasting time.

Don't think a macro is a magic bullet and that they are unfair, they have con's as well as pro's. I have also macros i made that replenish my mana if it gets to 300 or less by using a potion. Again though, since it triggers a global cooldown of 1 second it can interupt my careful attacks.

Lets take into consideration on my rogue side i have a macro to do basic attacks for ease. I walk up to an ent and press my right arrow on the keyboard, my character then does a few basic attacks and kills ents easier making my life so much more smooth for farming for dailies. Now, is that hacking?? No, if i get blocked or an attack does not engage the macro will continue to do its thing regardless if it can do it or not. So if i get stunned or run out of energy/mana or something my guy is trying to do attacks that won't work or are out of order due to me being stunned and thus causes a problem of waiting for the macro to finish.

I will repeat, macro's are not some magical bullet that are flawless, they are just a tool to "attempt" to make certain things easier for yourself, however not all situations are the same and interuptions can render your perfect macro almost uselsss. Also use an attack macro against a real person, their gear can be so many different combo's same with their class combo. A macro that works well for a level 29 ent is not guarenteed to be as successful with a 32 mage /priest real player...

Macro's "can" "help" you, they absolutly do NOT guarentee any success in anything. I think people who complain about macro's usually are the people who don't want to spend time learning how to use them, and then claim they are "unfair". You can use them just as I can, its your choice to learn how to use that feature which is in front of you every day.